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    The China-body system could undergo qualia, however stran... — Carmelics
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    The China-body system could undergo qualia, however strange this seems

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    • 1.Functional systems that replicate human cognition should replicate all its properties, including qualia
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    • 2.The apparent oddness of attributing qualia to the China-body system stems from our relative size compared to it, not from any genuine impossibility
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    • 1.Qualia are intrinsic, non-relational properties of conscious states, not reducible to functional or causal roles (Block's 'phenomenal consciousness').
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    • 2.A system defined purely by its functional organization—regardless of scale—cannot, by definition, guarantee the presence of intrinsic phenomenal properties.
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    • 3.Therefore, replicating human cognitive function at the scale of China-body does not entail replicating qualia, only their functional analogs.
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    • 1.Biological substrate is not merely a contingent implementation detail; neurochemical processes may be constitutively necessary for phenomenal experience (Searle's biological naturalism).
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    • 2.The China-body system substitutes silicon and radio signals for neurons and synapses, not merely at scale but in physical kind.
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    • 3.Size-invariance arguments only neutralize spatial objections, leaving the substrate-dependence objection fully intact.
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    One standard functionalist reply to cases like the China-body system is to bite the bullet and to argue that however strange it seems, the China-body system could not fail to undergo qualia. The oddness of this view derives, according to some functionalists (Lycan 1987), from our relative size. We are each so much smaller than the China-body system that we fail to see the forest for the trees. Just as a creature the size of a neuron trapped inside a human head might well be wrongly convinced tha
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