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    Challenges→A God who was less than maximally perfect would be an idol.

    The concept of 'maximal perfection' is not self-evident but is constructed from particular metaphysical assumptions rooted in Neoplatonic thought, not universal religious intuition.

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    • 1.Historical analysis shows 'maximal perfection' appears primarily in medieval Christian theology influenced by Plotinus, not in earlier Jewish or Islamic thought.
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    • 2.Different religious traditions define divine attributes differently, suggesting perfection concepts reflect particular metaphysical frameworks rather than universal intuition.
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    • 3.The logical coherence of 'maximal perfection' requires assumptions about which properties are genuinely perfections—a contestable metaphysical choice.
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    • 1.Even if Neoplatonism influenced formulation, the underlying intuition that the divine exceeds all limitation appears across independent religious traditions universally.
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    • 2.Calling a concept 'constructed' doesn't refute it; mathematical concepts are constructed but objectively valid. Neoplatonic influence doesn't prove incoherence or falsehood.
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    • 3.The distinction between 'particular assumptions' and 'universal intuitions' is itself philosophically loaded and difficult to establish empirically.
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    Key Terms

    Metaphysical assumptions(underlying the distinction being made)
    Basic beliefs about what exists and how reality fundamentally works that you take for granted without proving them.
    Neoplatonic thought(as used in history of philosophy)
    A philosophical school that developed from Plato's ideas, emphasizing the existence of a highest, most perfect reality beyond the material world we see.
    Universal religious intuition(as used in philosophy of religion)
    A spiritual feeling or instinct about God or truth that supposedly all people everywhere share naturally, regardless of their religion.
    constructed(suggesting the concept of psychê was developed gradually)
    Built, created, or developed over time through human thought and writing rather than existing naturally or from the beginning.
    maximal perfection(A quality attributed to God in the argument)
    The idea of having every possible good quality or excellence at the highest possible level—like imagining something that is all-powerful, all-knowing, and perfectly good at once.
    self-evident(Reid's epistemology, critiquing the skeptic's reliance on logical principles)
    A belief or principle is self-evident when we cannot help but accept it; self-evidence does not constitute a non-circular justification of the belief or principle.

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