Skip to content
Carmelics
TopicsThinkersChangesContributorsLoading account…

    Carmelics

    A reasoning platform. Break down any belief into clear reasons, explore both sides, and weigh the evidence honestly.

    Navigate

    • Topics
    • Search
    • Recent Changes
    • Contribute
    • How It Works
    • Glossary
    • Thinkers
    • Contributors
    • About
    • Statistics
    • Terms
    • Privacy

    Database

    Statements
    —
    Perspectives
    —
    Topics
    —

    Press ? for keyboard shortcuts

    LoyalLoyalJusticeJustice
    Made withinDC&Austin
    Statements
    321,452
    Perspectives
    108,905
    Topics
    42
    Home/Original/inverse
    See Original
    Inverse View

    It is not the case that The Gods direct all things for the use of men

    ?Set your confidence on the premises below to see your aggregate.

    Reasons For

    2 perspectives
    Reason for 1 of 2
    ?
    • 1.Natural phenomena such as earthquakes, plagues, and droughts harm humans indiscriminately, showing no purposive direction toward human welfare.
      ?

      Think about whether this reason is strong or weak

    • 2.A deity genuinely directing all things for human use would not permit systematic natural evils that serve no discernible human benefit.
      ?

      Think about whether this reason is strong or weak

    • 3.Epicurus established that divine beings, by definition perfectly self-sufficient, have no motivation to arrange the world for others' benefit.
      ?

      Think about whether this reason is strong or weak

    Reason for 2 of 2
    ?
    • 1.Spinoza demonstrates in Ethics that Nature operates through necessary causal laws entirely indifferent to human desires or purposes.
      ?

      Think about whether this reason is strong or weak

    • 2.Projecting human temperament onto divine rulers, as the supporting argument concedes humans do, is a recognized anthropomorphic fallacy invalidating the inference.
      ?

      Think about whether this reason is strong or weak

    Reasons Against

    1 perspective
    Reason against
    ?
    • 1.People had never heard anything about the temperament of the rulers (Gods)
      ?

      Think about whether this reason is strong or weak

    • 2.People had to judge the temperament of the Gods from their own temperament
      ?

      Think about whether this reason is strong or weak

    • 3.People believe the Gods act this way in order to bind men to them and be held by men in the highest honor
      ?

      Think about whether this reason is strong or weak

    Next step

    Based on where you are in your exploration

    Strongest counterpoint
    Explore the most compelling reason on the other side.