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    The Gorgias myth itself depicts souls making poor choices... — Carmelics
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    Challenges→The myth of Er is distinct from the eschatological myths of the Gorgias and Phaedo in that it illustrates the obstacles to realizing the philosophical ideal rather than offering the philosopher an escape from the world.

    The Gorgias myth itself depicts souls making poor choices due to bodily corruption, demonstrating obstacles to virtue no less than the myth of Er does.

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    • 1.Both myths use afterlife judgment to show souls suffering consequences of choices made under bodily influence during life.
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    • 2.The Gorgias depiction of souls in Tartarus reveals how bodily appetites corrupted judgment, creating vice analogous to Er's soul selection errors.
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    • 3.Both myths treat embodied life as the critical period where virtue is lost, suggesting equivalent obstacles to moral development.
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    • 1.The Er myth emphasizes souls freely choosing their next lives despite knowing consequences; Gorgias shows souls already punished, not choosing.
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    • 2.Gorgias focuses on bodily corruption causing past wrongs; Er emphasizes prospective choice and responsibility for future moral trajectories.
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    • 3.Er's myth implies virtue is recoverable through wisdom about choice; Gorgias suggests bodily corruption leads to irreversible characterological damage.
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