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    It is not the case that The idea of a lion with existence does not correspond to a true and immutable nature

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    Reasons For

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    Reason for 1 of 2
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    • 1.Existence, for some entities, is analytically contained in their essence and cannot be coherently subtracted without conceptual contradiction.
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    • 2.If 'existing lion' is treated as a composite, the same deflationary move would dissolve necessary mathematical truths, which Descartes explicitly treats as TINs.
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    • 3.Descartes' own criterion—that TINs are recognized, not invented—applies equally to an essence that essentially includes existence when clearly and distinctly perceived.
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    Reason for 2 of 2
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    • 1.Meinong's distinction between Sosein and Sein entails that an object's character (being-a-lion) is logically independent of whether it falls under existence, undermining the premise that conceiving a non-existent lion shows existence is merely appended.
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    • 2.If coherent conceivability of absence suffices to disqualify TIN status, contingent mathematical instantiations (e.g., a triangle drawn in sand) would falsely disqualify triangularity itself as a TIN.
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    Reasons Against

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    • 1.A true and immutable nature (TIN) has a unity such that it cannot be divided by the intellect
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    • 2.A concept that can be coherently conceived as lacking one of its components was merely assembled by the intellect or imagination, not a genuine nature
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    • 3.One can coherently conceive of a lion that does not exist
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