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    The ideal in art is not to be found anywhere outside fiction — Carmelics
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    The ideal in art is not to be found anywhere outside fiction

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    • 1.Nature as given does not contain the ideal directly
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    • 2.The artist must construct the ideal through a reasoned process of selective imitation
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    • 1.Plotinus argues that the artist's intellect participates in the Form itself, making art a revelation of transcendent beauty, not fiction.
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    • 2.If art accesses the Ideal directly via nous, the ideal exists independently of fictional construction and precedes it ontologically.
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    • 1.Hegel's Lectures on Aesthetics hold that great art embodies Geist concretely, making the ideal sensibly present in actual works.
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    • 2.A thing that is sensibly present in a real, existing artwork cannot be coherently classified as belonging only to fiction.
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    Charles Batteux had somewhat different goals. When he published The Fine Arts Reduced to a Single Principle in 1746, he took up a challenge: to establish Aristotelian ideas firmly as the general basis for a unified system of the arts. The main concept on which he focuses is mimesis, but generalized to any kind of art (thus going beyond Aristotle or Horace). To achieve this generalization, he distinguishes the liberal arts, of which the object is pleasure (i.e., music, poetry, painting, sculpture
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