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    The inferential gap between remaining subject to law and ... — Carmelics
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    Supports→Most offenders do not in fact tacitly consent to their sentences.

    The inferential gap between remaining subject to law and consenting to penal consequences is too wide to bridge without an explicit, informed acceptance of specific sanctions.

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    • 1.Moral obligation requires knowledge of consequences; unknowing subjection to hidden penalties violates autonomy principles.
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    • 2.Legal systems distinguish between strict liability and mens rea, implying consent requires awareness of what one consents to.
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    • 3.Children and non-citizens are subject to law but we deny they can consent to sanctions, showing subjection ≠ consent.
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    • 1.Implicit consent operates elsewhere: residence implies acceptance of local rules; explicit re-consent for each law is impractical.
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    • 2.Published laws constitute sufficient notice; citizens have reasonable opportunity to learn sanctions before violating them.
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    • 3.Consent-based legitimacy conflates moral justification with legal efficacy; laws bind regardless of individual acceptance mechanisms.
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