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    The intensity of divine efficient causation cannot by its... — Carmelics
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    The intensity of divine efficient causation cannot by itself foreclose the logical space of contradictory alternatives without collapsing divine freedom into necessitarianism.

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    • 1.If divine causation necessitates outcomes, God cannot genuinely choose between alternatives; choice requires open possibilities.
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    • 2.Logical contradictions mark genuine alternatives; collapsing this distinction eliminates meaningful freedom, not preserves it.
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    • 3.Omnipotence traditionally includes power to refrain; unlimited causal intensity without restraint contradicts this classical attribute.
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    • 1.Causal intensity and logical possibility operate on different levels; foreclosing contradictories needn't entail determinism of actuals.
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    • 2.Divine freedom may consist in self-determination of essence, not in navigating pre-existing logical space independent of God's will.
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    • 3.The claim assumes logical space antecedes divine causation; if God grounds logic itself, intensity excludes alternatives without unfreedom.
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