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    It is not the case that The people before entering Heaven are the same people after entering Heaven

    ?Set your confidence on the premises below to see your aggregate.

    Reasons For

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    Reason for
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    • 1.Transformation removing all suffering, sin, and ignorance fundamentally alters the psychological constitution of a person.
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      Think about whether this reason is strong or weak

    • 2.A being with perfect knowledge, immortality, and divine communion may be too transformed to count as the same person.
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      Think about whether this reason is strong or weak

    • 3.Identity requires some continuity of limitation and finitude; infinite transformation may constitute essential discontinuity.
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      Think about whether this reason is strong or weak

    Reasons Against

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    • 1.Personal identity requires psychological continuity of memory, consciousness, and character across time.
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      Think about whether this reason is strong or weak

    • 2.Heaven is described as a state of continued existence, not annihilation and replacement of the person.
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      Think about whether this reason is strong or weak

    • 3.If people aren't the same before and after Heaven, resurrection becomes meaningless as applied to persons.
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      Think about whether this reason is strong or weak

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