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    The perception of a continuous underlying sound revealed by the opening and closing of the jar is phenomenologically legitimate and requires theoretical explanation.

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    • 1.Listeners report two distinct impressions: a series of short discrete sounds, and a single continuous sound that is merely revealed by the lid openings.
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    • 2.The fading of intensity is audible from one window to the next, which is evidence that the same sound persists across intervals.
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    • 3.A visual analogue supports this: an object illuminated at intervals in the dark is perceived as having continuous colors, not as repeatedly acquiring and losing them.
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    • 1.Perceptual continuity reports are constructive inferences by the auditory system, not veridical detections of persisting entities (Helmholtz, unconscious inference).
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    • 2.The brain's auditory stream segregation (Bregman) can generate illusory continuity from silence, meaning phenomenology here tracks neural interpolation, not mind-independent sound persistence.
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    • 3.A phenomenologically compelling experience is not sufficient grounds for ontological commitment to the persisting sound object it appears to reveal.
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    • 1.The visual analogy fails because light-occluded objects have continuous spatial location grounding persistence, whereas a silenced sound source emits no wave disturbance and thus has no comparable physical continuant.
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    • 2.On a wave-transmission ontology of sound (O'Callaghan, Pasnau), sounds just are pressure wave events in a medium, so a sound that produces no such waves during intervals literally ceases to exist rather than persisting unheard.
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    If sounds ceased and restarted with each opening of the jar, only the ...83%If sounds were identical to sound waves in the surrounding medium, or ...79%The continuous fading of the sound across successive 'windows' (openin...79%When a vibrating tuning fork is placed in a vacuum jar and the lid is ...78%

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    To develop this line of thought and make it vivid, imagine a vacuum jar which has the property of immediately creating a vacuum upon closing the lid, and of immediately recalling air upon opening the lid. Take now a sounding object like a tuning fork at 440Hz and have it vibrate, supposing that the vibration fades and becomes inaudible after 10 seconds. What you hear is an A that becomes feebler and feebler until it disappears. Now, place the tuning fork inside the jar, have it vibrate as before
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