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    The perfect nature is the eternal nonexistence of the ima... — Carmelics
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    The perfect nature is the eternal nonexistence of the imaginary nature (subject-object duality) in the dependent nature

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    • 1.The perfect nature is defined as the eternal nonexistence of 'as it appears' (the imaginary nature) of 'what appears' (the dependent nature)
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    • 2.The imaginary nature is the unreal conceptual fabrication of subject-object duality
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    • 3.The dependent nature (representations) appears in cognition as if it contains subject-object duality, but the dependent nature is wholly devoid of such duality
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    • 1.Dignāga and Dharmakīrti argue that cognition requires a subject-object structure as a transcendental condition for any experience whatsoever.
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    • 2.If subject-object duality is a necessary condition for dependent-nature cognition, its 'eternal nonexistence' in the dependent nature entails the dependent nature itself is impossible.
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    • 3.A perfect nature defined by the negation of a necessary condition of the dependent nature cannot coherently be grounded in that dependent nature.
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    • 1.Candrakīrti's Mādhyamika critique holds that positing an eternally existent perfect nature (pariniṣpanna) reifies a positive absolute, reinstating the substantialist error Yogācāra claims to dissolve.
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    • 2.The claim that the imaginary nature's absence is 'eternal' presupposes a permanently subsisting substrate in which that absence obtains, which is itself an imaginary hypostatization.
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    In the Commentary on the Sūtra of Intent (Ārya-saṃdhinirmocana-sūtra, Mdo sde ca 1b–55b) it is stated that “Reality as it is, which is the intentional object of a pure consciousness, is the definition of the perfect nature. This must be so because it is with respect to this that the Victorious Buddha attributed all phenomena as natureless, ultimately.” (Mdo sde ca 35b) Vasubandhu’s [TSN] defines “the perfect nature (pariniṣpanna) as the eternal nonexistence of ‘as it appears’ of ‘what appears’ b
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