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    It is not the case that The punishment of those who commit crimes is permissible.

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    Reasons For

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    Reason for 1 of 2
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    • 1.Hypothetical consent by an idealized rational agent cannot bind the actual individual who never in fact agreed to the social contract.
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    • 2.Punishing a real person based on what a fictional rational counterpart would have consented to treats the actual offender as a means to a theoretical end.
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    • 3.Legitimate authority over a person requires that person's actual, not merely imputed, consent.
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    Reason for 2 of 2
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    • 1.State punishment, as practiced, overwhelmingly falls on those structurally disadvantaged by the very social order the law upholds.
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    • 2.An institution that reproduces systemic injustice cannot be rendered permissible merely by appealing to the rationality of those it harms, as Rawls himself acknowledged that just punishment presupposes just background institutions.
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    Reasons Against

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    • The offender himself would, as a rational agent or reasonable citizen, have consented to a system of law that provided for such punishments.
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