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    It is not the case that The puzzle's force derives from rationality norms on belief, not from metaphysical claims about identity, so Church's modal argument conflates epistemic and ontological levels.

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    • 1.If belief contexts block substitution, this reflects genuine metaphysical opacity about identity, not merely epistemic limitations.
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    • 2.Rationality norms on belief presuppose facts about what entities are identical; the argument can't be purely epistemic without circularity.
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    • 3.Church shows identity claims about distinct computational properties lead to absurdity—a metaphysical problem, not an epistemic one.
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    • 1.Rational belief norms (like avoiding inconsistency) are about coherence, not about what entities fundamentally exist or are identical.
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    • 2.Church's argument derives impossibility of identity from epistemic facts about substitution in belief contexts, not from metaphysical identity facts.
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    • 3.Conflating these levels mistakes a constraint on rational thought for a constraint on reality itself.
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