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    It is not the case that The quantity and distribution of suffering in the world vastly exceeds what any plausible greater-good justification could require.

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    • 1.We lack access to God's full purposes; our inability to conceive a justification doesn't prove one doesn't exist.
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    • 2.Free will, moral development, and meaningful love arguably require risks of suffering that are difficult to quantify or minimize.
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    • 3.The claim's standard ('plausible') smuggles in assumptions about what counts as plausible to finite human reasoners.
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    Reasons Against

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    • 1.Childhood cancer, predation, and natural disasters cause intense suffering disconnected from any moral agent's choices or growth.
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    • 2.The quantity of suffering (trillions of sentient beings experiencing pain) appears disproportionate to plausible educational or soul-making goods.
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    • 3.An omnipotent being could achieve any legitimate greater good through less harmful means, making current suffering levels unnecessary.
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