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    It is not the case that The ruler can direct the people's will toward whatever the ruler desires

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    Reasons For

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    • 1.People's desires extend beyond material rewards and punishments to include dignity, meaning, and social recognition that rulers cannot fully control.
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    • 2.Rousseau's distinction between amour de soi and amour propre demonstrates that human motivation includes irreducible drives for esteem that external incentives cannot substitute.
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    • 3.When extrinsic controls dominate, they crowd out intrinsic motivations, producing compliance without genuine will-direction, undermining the claim's core premise.
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    Reason for 2 of 2
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    • 1.Mencius argued that people possess innate moral sprouts (四端) which generate autonomous moral judgments resistant to purely external manipulation.
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    • 2.A ruler who directs will only through reward and punishment produces strategic compliance, not directed will, making the claim equivocate between behavioral control and genuine volitional guidance.
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    Reasons Against

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    • 1.The people desire ranks and emoluments and fear punishments and penalties
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    • 2.The ruler controls the dispensation of ranks, emoluments, punishments, and penalties
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    • 3.Controlling what people desire and fear allows the ruler to guide their will
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