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    The self that survives thanatization is not the same self... — Carmelics
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    Challenges→It might be possible to make death not bad for us by suitably preparing ourselves.

    The self that survives thanatization is not the same self whose death is under evaluation; by eliminating future-directed desires one has effectively ended the psychologically continuous person, making the 'preparation' itself a form of ante-mortem death.

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    • 1.Psychological continuity depends on narrative connectedness; eliminating future desires severs the narrative thread linking present to future self.
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    • 2.Identity is constituted by dispositional states and projects; their systematic removal creates discontinuity equivalent to death of that person.
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    • 3.If we accept that the person who survives radical dementia has effectively died, consistency requires accepting death occurs when psychological structures dissolve.
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    • 1.Desire-elimination is a change in mental content, not cessation of consciousness; the subject persists through radical personality changes throughout life.
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    • 2.Biological continuity of the organism remains; thanatization preserves this substrate, distinguishing it from actual death.
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    • 3.The claim conflates 'change to self' with 'death of self'; accepting this leads to absurd conclusions about ascetics or monastics who renounce desires.
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    Key Terms

    Ante-mortem(as used in philosophy of death)
    Latin phrase meaning 'before death'; used to describe something that happens while someone is still alive but in preparation for dying.
    Future-directed desires(as used in philosophy of death)
    Wants and goals that point forward in time—like wanting to travel next summer or achieve something in your career; they're what makes you care about your future.
    Thanatization(as used in philosophy of death and personal identity)
    The process of preparing for death or making something death-like; in this context, it refers to psychological or behavioral changes someone makes in preparation for dying.
    personal identity(Philosophy of personal identity)
    The relation of sameness holding between a person existing at one time and something existing at another time, analyzed here in terms of psychological continuity
    psychological continuity(Philosophy of personal identity)
    A relation holding between a person at one time and a being at a later time when the later being inherits the memories, intentions, beliefs, and psychological states of the earlier person.

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