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    It is not the case that The Son possesses the property of aseity despite being generated by the Father.

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    • 1.Aseity (existence a se) classically means existing from oneself, requiring no external principle whatsoever for one's being.
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    • 2.The Father is an external principle that is the source of the Son's hypostatic existence, constituting a real relation of dependence.
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    • 3.A being that derives its personal subsistence from another cannot coherently be said to exist a se, even if its essence is shared.
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    Reason for 2 of 2
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    • 1.Aquinas holds that in God, relation and essence are identical, so the Son's real relation of origin to the Father is not separable from what the Son is.
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    • 2.If the Son's relational dependence on the Father is constitutive of the Son's very being as Son, then aseity cannot apply to the Son as such without contradiction.
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    • 1.The Son, being God, must have the property of aseity.
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    • 2.The Father's generation of the Son doesn't explain the Son's existence, but only the Son's being a person distinct from the Father.
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    • 3.If the Father's generation explained the Son's existence, that would rule out the Son's aseity.
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