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    It is not the case that The soul's self-motion in Plato's Phaedrus serves as proof of immortality, but Aristotle explicitly rejects soul-as-self-mover in De Anima 1.3, undermining the interpretive bridge.

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    • 1.Aristotle's critique directly undermines self-motion as a defining soul-property, making Platonic immortality proof dependent on a rejected premise.
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    • 2.No secure 'interpretive bridge' exists if Aristotle explicitly denies the mechanism Plato uses; conflicting metaphysics cannot both be foundational.
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    • 3.Aristotle's hylomorphism offers an alternative soul-model; claiming this preserves Platonic conclusions requires independent argument, not assumed compatibility.
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    • 1.Plato's self-motion argument (Phaedrus 245c-e) logically derives immortality from the soul's intrinsic capacity to initiate motion without external cause.
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    • 2.Aristotle's rejection of self-motion in De Anima 1.3 targets unmoved movers, not the soul's vital principle, preserving distinct metaphysical frameworks.
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    • 3.The interpretive gap reflects genuine philosophical progress: Aristotle corrects Plato's proof without necessarily vindicating physicalist alternatives.
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