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    It is not the case that The Stoic distinction between 'real goods' and 'externals' presupposes a conception of the self that severs agency from embodied, relational existence.

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    • 1.Stoics emphasize living according to nature and fulfilling our natural social roles—duties inherently tied to embodied, relational existence.
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    • 2.Epictetus and Marcus Aurelius discuss managing emotions, desire, and bodily impulses as part of virtue—showing agency remains embedded in embodiment.
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    • 3.Stoic indifferents (health, relationships, reputation) matter for living well, suggesting the self cannot be severed from these relational goods.
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    • 1.Stoics locate virtue (the only true good) in rational choice, which operates independently of bodily fortune or social circumstance.
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    • 2.If agency were essentially embodied and relational, loss of health or relationships would diminish moral capacity—but Stoics deny this.
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    • 3.The Stoic sage can maintain eudaimonia in torture or exile, implying the self transcends its concrete, situated conditions.
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