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    The thought produced by thinking is itself nothing other than thinking.

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    • 1.Thinking directs itself toward the thought it has originated.
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    • 2.That thought is a thought of thinking.
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    • 3.A thought of thinking is itself an instance of thinking, not a distinct, inert object.
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    • 1.Frege's distinction between sense and reference establishes that a thought (Gedanke) is an abstract, mind-independent entity distinct from any act of thinking.
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    • 2.If thoughts exist as objective propositional contents in a 'third realm,' the product of thinking transcends the psychological act that apprehends it.
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    • 3.Therefore the thought produced by thinking is an abstract object, not reducible to the thinking act itself.
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    • 1.Husserl's noetic-noematic distinction holds that the act of consciousness (noesis) and its intentional content (noema) are structurally irreducible to one another.
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    • 2.The noema, as the ideal meaning-content of a mental act, retains its identity across numerically distinct acts of thinking by different subjects at different times.
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    • 3.An entity that persists identically across distinct acts of thinking cannot itself be nothing other than any particular act of thinking.
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    The breakthrough that Eckhart attains through his theory of univocal causality is exemplified by the relation between thinking and thought. For Eckhart, thinking presupposes no origin because a presupposed origin could only be thought by thinking and hence would be a thought of thinking, that is, itself thinking. Thinking is, then, for itself a presuppositionless origin, that is, it is its own principle: principium (Echardus, In Ioh. n. 38; LW III, 32, 11: “… ipsum principium semper est intellec
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