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    There must be a connection between our capacity to act di... — Carmelics
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    There must be a connection between our capacity to act directly with our body and our capacity to feel our body from the inside.

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    • 1.Human beings are not like pilots in a ship — we are able to feel our body from the inside.
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    • 2.The body is not always immediately present in all its details to the subject, even when acting, yet the subject retains a distinctive felt relation to the body distinct from external perception.
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    • 1.Merleau-Ponty's motor intentionality is grounded in the body schema, which operates pre-reflectively and independent of proprioceptive feeling.
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    • 2.Phantom limb phenomena show subjects can act toward and through a body part they cannot genuinely feel from the inside in any veridical sense.
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    • 3.Therefore, direct bodily agency can be sustained by motor representations that are functionally decoupled from genuine interoceptive or felt bodily awareness.
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    • 1.Patients with complete deafferentation (e.g., Ian Waterman) lose somatic sensation yet retain voluntary motor agency over their bodies.
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    • 2.If action without felt bodily awareness is possible, agency and interoception are doubly dissociable, not necessarily connected.
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    We have just asked whether bodily awareness requires action. But one may also ask whether action requires bodily awareness (O’Shaughnessy 2000; Wong 2015). Action requires detailed information about the long-term and short-term properties of the bodily effectors. But does the information need to reach the threshold of awareness, even at the margin? Action requires fast processing of information, whereas bodily awareness takes time. Furthermore, deafferented subjects who have no kinaesthetic and
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