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    Therefore, apparent 'unfairness' in collective cases ofte... — Carmelics
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    Challenges→Collective moral responsibility can be unfair in particular cases, even if it is not inherently unfair.

    Therefore, apparent 'unfairness' in collective cases often reflects a mistaken individualist baseline, not a genuine injustice to group members.

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    • 1.Collective outcomes reflect complex systemic interactions, not aggregated individual entitlements, so comparing them to individual baselines misconstrues their nature.
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    • 2.Fair procedures that treat individuals equally can produce unequal group outcomes without injustice, since fairness applies to processes, not predetermined results.
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    • 3.Groups lack unified interests or preferences, making 'group harm' incoherent unless reducible to harms to specific members, which individualist analysis already captures.
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    • 1.Individuals experience material deprivation and exclusion in collective contexts regardless of procedure fairness; outcome disparities cause real individual suffering.
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    • 2.Systemic patterns producing unequal group outcomes often stem from discriminatory rules or structures, not inevitable complexity, so calling them 'mistaken baseline' obscures responsibility.
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    • 3.Even procedurally fair systems can perpetuate historical injustices; dismissing unfairness as 'baseline confusion' evades rectifying cumulative, compounding harms.
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