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    It is not the case that Therefore, evaluative hedonism's impartial standard presupposes a motivational capacity that psychological hedonism systematically excludes.

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    • 1.Psychological hedonism permits indirect pursuit of others' pleasure when it produces one's own pleasure—no special motivational capacity required.
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    • 2.Even if psychological hedonism limits motivations, evaluative hedonism could be normatively true regardless of what actually motivates people.
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    • 3.The claim conflates psychological capacity with motivational justification; evaluative standards needn't match actual motivational psychology to be valid.
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    • 1.Psychological hedonism claims agents only pursue their own pleasure; evaluative hedonism demands impartial concern for everyone's pleasure equally.
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    • 2.An impartial standard requires motivation to promote others' well-being even when it conflicts with self-interest, which psychological hedonism logically forbids.
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    • 3.If psychological hedonism is true, agents lack the capacity to be moved by reasons about impartial value; thus evaluative hedonism becomes unmotivatable.
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