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    Challenges→Zombies are conceivable

    Under ideal rational reflection, the identity of phenomenal states with functional-physical states becomes necessary, collapsing the apparent coherence of zombie descriptions.

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    • 1.Ideal rational reflection reveals that all causal-functional roles explaining behavior are exhausted by physical processes in the brain.
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    • 2.If phenomenal states were distinct from functional-physical states, they would be causally inert epiphenomena, violating rational coherence.
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    • 3.Zombie scenarios rely on conceivability assumptions that collapse under rigorous conceptual analysis of what 'consciousness' actually means.
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    • 1.Conceivability of zombies (functional duplicates lacking experience) is rationally coherent regardless of ideal reflection, showing the gap persists.
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    • 2.Identity claims between phenomenal and functional states require empirical discovery, not rational reflection alone; logic cannot settle metaphysics.
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    • 3.Even under ideal rationality, subjective first-person qualities remain conceptually distinct from objective third-person functional descriptions.
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