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    Vocal music, and by consequence all music, is an idealiza... — Carmelics
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    Vocal music, and by consequence all music, is an idealization of the natural language of passion

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    • 1.Any emotion produces movement as a general physiological principle
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    • 2.When movement involves the vocal tract, emotions result in vocalizations
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    • 3.Music derives from an exaggeration of the usual features of vocal emotional expression
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    • 1.Hanslick argued in 'On the Musically Beautiful' (1854) that music's content is 'tonally moving forms,' not idealized passion or any extra-musical emotion.
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    • 2.If musical meaning is constituted by purely syntactic relationships between tones rather than semantic reference to emotional states, then grounding music in 'natural language of passion' misidentifies its fundamental nature.
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    • 3.The formalist tradition demonstrates that listeners can engage with music's aesthetic content without any mediation through emotional or vocal associations.
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    • 1.Substantial musical traditions—including purely instrumental counterpoint and absolute music—have no structural dependence on vocal or emotional expression.
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    • 2.If counterexamples exist where music's defining features (harmonic structure, rhythmic complexity) are independent of passionate vocalization, the 'all music' universalization fails.
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    Herbert Spencer (1820–1903) defended an explanation of the origin of music distinct from Darwin’s. Spencer holds as a general physiological principle that any emotion produces movement. When movement involves the vocal tract, emotions result in vocalizations. Music derives from an exaggeration of the usual features of vocal emotional expression. Thus, “vocal music, and by consequence all music, is an idealization of the natural language of passion” (Spencer 1857 [2015: 29]). This view of music’s
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