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    It is not the case that We take pleasure in experiencing a beautiful object.

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    • 1.Kant himself distinguishes aesthetic judgment from any felt pleasure, grounding beauty in a free play of faculties prior to and independent of gratification.
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    • 2.The supporting argument conflates the cognitive achievement of finding unity with the hedonic state of pleasure, which Kant treats as a consequence, not the aesthetic experience itself.
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    • 3.If pleasure is merely downstream of the judgment of beauty rather than constitutive of it, then pleasure is neither necessary nor sufficient to account for the aesthetic encounter.
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    • 1.Schopenhauer argues aesthetic experience requires the complete suspension of willing and desire, making 'pleasure' a category error for aesthetic states.
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    • 2.If aesthetic contemplation extinguishes the desiring self that experiences pleasure, then no subject remains to take pleasure in the beautiful object.
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    • 1.We experience a beautiful object as having a kind of unity ordinarily found by subsuming objects under determinate concepts, but independently of any such subsumption.
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    • 2.Finding such unity is our ultimate cognitive aim.
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    • 3.The unity found in a beautiful object appears contingent and unexpected because it is not linked to any determinate concept.
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