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    It is not the case that What has no substantial unity beyond contingent causal relations has no basis for eternal persistence after those relations dissolve.

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    • 1.All entities, even fundamentally unified ones, depend on some causal conditions; the claim conflates dependence with lack of unity.
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    • 2.Persistence after causal dissolution may require no intrinsic substrate—only logical or mathematical consistency transcending physical relations.
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    • 3.Information patterns can persist eternally as abstract structures even if their physical instantiations dissolve.
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    Reasons Against

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    • 1.Identity requires continuity of form or essence distinct from material composition and causal history.
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    • 2.If an entity depends entirely on contingent relations for coherence, dissolution of those relations dissolves the entity itself.
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    • 3.Eternal persistence requires intrinsic stability independent of external causal conditions maintaining it.
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