Skip to content
Carmelics
TopicsThinkersChangesContributorsLoading account…

    Carmelics

    A reasoning platform. Break down any belief into clear reasons, explore both sides, and weigh the evidence honestly.

    Navigate

    • Topics
    • Search
    • Recent Changes
    • Contribute
    • How It Works
    • Glossary
    • Thinkers
    • Contributors
    • About
    • Statistics
    • Terms
    • Privacy

    Database

    Statements
    —
    Perspectives
    —
    Topics
    —

    Press ? for keyboard shortcuts

    LoyalLoyalJusticeJustice
    Made withinDC&Austin
    Statements
    321,452
    Perspectives
    108,905
    Topics
    42
    Home/Original/inverse
    See Original
    Inverse View

    It is not the case that A being can possess full epistemic clarity about its situation while still freely choosing evil, as Lucifer is traditionally conceived to have done.

    ?Set your confidence on the premises below to see your aggregate.

    Reasons For

    1 perspective
    Reason for
    ?
    • 1.Complete epistemic clarity about infinite suffering consequences plus perfect rationality seems psychologically incompatible with choosing that evil.
      ?

      Think about whether this reason is strong or weak

    • 2.If a being fully understands God's goodness and its own ultimate dependence on God, the psychological motivation to rebel appears incoherent.
      ?

      Think about whether this reason is strong or weak

    Reasons Against

    1 perspective
    Reason against
    ?
    • 1.Knowledge of consequences doesn't eliminate agency; humans often knowingly choose harmful acts despite understanding them fully.
      ?

      Think about whether this reason is strong or weak

    • 2.Perfect clarity about one's situation is compatible with rebellious will; understanding why authority is right doesn't compel obedience.
      ?

      Think about whether this reason is strong or weak

    • 3.If God's nature is necessarily good, a free creature with full knowledge could still rationally prefer autonomy over divine submission.
      ?

      Think about whether this reason is strong or weak

    Next step

    Based on where you are in your exploration

    Strongest counterpoint
    Explore the most compelling reason on the other side.