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    A divine person is essentially eternally omnipotent and e... — Carmelics
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    A divine person is essentially eternally omnipotent and exists necessarily.

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    • A divine person is naturally understood as one who is essentially eternally omnipotent and exists (in some sense) 'necessarily'.
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    • 1.Necessary existence is a modal property that cannot be derived analytically from the concept of divinity without begging the question.
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    • 2.Kant demonstrated in the Critique of Pure Reason that existence is not a predicate, making 'necessarily exists' an incoherent essential property.
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    • 3.If necessary existence were analytically contained in 'divine person,' the ontological argument would be trivially valid, which even theists like Plantinga deny.
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    • 1.Process theology (Whitehead, Hartshorne) holds that genuine divinity entails creative responsiveness to the world, which is incompatible with immutable omnipotence.
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    • 2.A being essentially and eternally omnipotent cannot be affected by or genuinely related to contingent creatures, undermining the relational personhood essential to Trinitarian theology.
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    • 3.Hartshorne's dipolar theism shows that classical essential omnipotence conflicts with the social, responsive nature of divine personhood that Swinburne himself requires for the Trinity.
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    SEP: trinity
    Swinburne 2018, 427
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    Swinburne aims to build his theory on widespread traditional agreements between most catholic theologians since at least the fourth and fifth centuries (Swinburne 2018, Section 1). The Persons of the Trinity are three beings, each a self which satisfies Boethius’s definition of a “person” as “an individual substance (substantia) of a rational nature” (421). Each is divine in that each has all the divine attributes. “A divine person is naturally understood as one who is essentially eternally omnipotent and exists (in some sense) ’necessarily’” (427). He argues that omnipotence entails perfect g...
    Extraction notes

    Validity: The extracted argument is directly present in the source passage, which quotes Swinburne's characterization of a divine person, and the premise straightforwardly supports the conclusion since the conclusion merely restates the content of the premise.

    Confidence: Direct characterization offered as a definition/claim.

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