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    A freely chosen eternal destiny apart from God is metaphy... — Carmelics
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    A freely chosen eternal destiny apart from God is metaphysically impossible.

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    • 1.Either a person S is fully informed about who God is and what both union with and separation from the divine nature entail, or S is not so informed.
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    • 2.If S is fully informed and chooses a life apart from God, then S's choice would be utterly irrational and would fall below the threshold required for moral freedom.
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    • 3.If S is not fully informed, then God can continue to work with S—subjecting S to new experiences, shattering S's illusions, and correcting S's misjudgments—without interfering with S's freedom.
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    • 1.A choice can be both fully informed and freely irrational, as Aristotle's account of akrasia demonstrates: agents knowingly choose against their recognized good.
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    • 2.If full information guaranteed rational choice toward the good, moral freedom would collapse into a form of Socratic intellectualism that most libertarian free will theorists explicitly reject.
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    • 3.Therefore P2 conflates epistemic sufficiency with motivational sufficiency, illicitly ruling out the possibility of a fully informed yet perverse will.
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    • 1.On C.S. Lewis's own logic in 'The Great Divorce,' the self can progressively contract through habituated choices until it becomes constitutively incapable of desiring union with God.
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    • 2.If character formation through repeated free choices can produce a self whose deepest identity is oriented away from God, then that final orientation is itself a free achievement, not a mere misjudgment correctable by further information.
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    • 3.P3 and P4 therefore beg the question by treating every rejection of God as an epistemic failure rather than a possible culmination of a freely shaped volitional identity.
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    Now consider again the view of C. S. Lewis and many other Christians concerning the bliss that union with the divine nature entails, so they believe. and the objective horror that separation from it entails, and suppose that the outer darkness—that is, a soul suspended alone in nothingness, without even a physical order to experience and without any human relationships at all—should be the logical limit (short of annihilation) of possible separation from the divine nature. These ideas seem to lead naturally to a dilemma argument for the conclusion that a freely chosen eternal destiny apart fro...

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    Therefore, in either case, it is not possible that S should reject the true God ...