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    Eternal Conscious Torment — Carmelics
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    Eternal Conscious Torment

    The belief that the damned suffer conscious torment forever

    453 ideas in this topic

    216 of 453 ideas have perspectives(48%)

    453 results

    Eternal Conscious Torment is the true Hell

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    Challenges→ECT is inconsistent with the justice of God+1

    It is not that someone has committed an infinitely evil crime

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    Supports→Scripture argues that the punishment of the wicked lasts forever+1

    The term "unquenchable fire," as used in the NT, supports the claim that the punishment of the wicked lasts forever

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    Supports→It is not that the debt is finite

    A crime against God is infinite in demerit

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    Supports→The punishment of those in Hell lasts forever

    Scripture argues that the punishment of the wicked lasts forever

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    The NT langauge requires us to conclude that God will make the wicked immortal so they can be tortured forever

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    A debt that cannot be paid lasts forever

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    Challenges→Eternal Conscious Torment is the true Hell

    If ECT is true, then God is evil

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    If people are tortured forever in Hell with utmost intensity, either they must have committed infinitely evil crimes, or their ECT torturing must be inconsistent with the justice of God

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    Challenges→Is is not that a principle of justice exists that supports ECT

    Lex Talionis supports ECT

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    Supports→Scripture argues that the punishment of the wicked lasts forever+1

    The phrase "smoke that rises forever and ever" as used in the NT supports the claim that the punishment of the wicked lasts forever

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    Supports→Scripture argues that the punishment of the wicked lasts forever+1

    The phrase "worm that does not die" as used in the NT supports the claim that the punishment of the wicked lasts forever

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    Supports→Scripture argues that the punishment of the wicked lasts forever+1

    The term "everlasting destruction," as used in the NT, supports the claim that the punishment of the wicked lasts forever

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    Supports→Scripture argues that the punishment of the wicked lasts forever+1

    The term "lake of fire" and "torment day and night forever and ever" as used in Revelation 20 supports the claim that the punishment of the wicked lasts forever

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    Challenges→It is not that someone has committed an infinitely evil crime+1

    an infinite punishment involves torture

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    God could cause the same good by causing less pain

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    It is not that the debt can be paid

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    ECT involves people being forever tortured in Hell with utmost intensity

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    Challenges→Eternal Conscious Torment is the true Hell

    ECT is inconsistent with the justice of God

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    Challenges→Annihilation is the true Hell+1

    God will save everyone

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    Challenges→ECT involves people being forever tortured in Hell with utmost intensity

    Hell is eternal alienation from God

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    Challenges→A crime against God is infinite in demerit

    If all crimes are equally infinite, then according to this argument, those offenses will not receive more punishment than others

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    Challenges→If ECT is true, then it is not that God will make all things new

    If evil and suffering exist forever beside God, then God will not make evil and suffering new

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    If the damned will no longer be able to harm others, then there's not enough opportunities to sin in Hell continually

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    Challenges→Eternal Conscious Torment is the true Hell

    Is is not that a principle of justice exists that supports ECT

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    It is not that it serves the non-damned

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    Supports→The idea of ECT was widely accepted by intertestamental Jews

    Judith 16:17 supports ECT

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    SOME

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    Challenges→Lex Talionis supports ECT

    Sin robs God's honor

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    Challenges→The damned will sin continually

    Some will not sin forever

    40%
    claim

    Glossary

    knowledge

    Justified true belief — true belief that has been arrived at through the exercise of deliberative capacities, including comparison of and deliberation among alternatives.

    Hell

    In Christian and other religious traditions, a place or state of punishment or separation from God that comes after death as a consequence of sin.

    free will

    An exemption from the laws of nature; the power of doing and forbearing

    Sinner

    In religious terms, a person who has committed moral wrongs or broken God's laws.

    rationality

    A cognitive virtue and hallmark of the scientific method, intimately tied to requirements of consistency, justification, warrant, and evidence for beliefs.

    Capacity for moral improvement

    The ability to become a better person over time by learning what is right and wrong and actually changing your behavior accordingly.

    Character-forming acts

    Actions that shape who you are as a person—like choices you make that develop your habits, values, and personality over time.

    Freedom (in philosophy)

    The ability to make genuine choices that aren't completely controlled by outside forces or your past—it's about having real agency in your decisions.

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