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    A minister who has not formed cliques and cabals will not... — Carmelics
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    A minister who has not formed cliques and cabals will not murder the ruler

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    • 1.Cliques and cabals are the minister's treasure and source of power
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    • 2.A minister lacks sufficient power to murder the ruler without cliques and cabals formed
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    • 1.History records numerous regicides committed by solitary actors: Brutus required only personal conviction, not a sustained cabal, to act.
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    • 2.Individual ministers with direct physical access to a ruler possess sufficient means for assassination independent of broader political networks.
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    • 3.The Han Feizi conflates the organizational conditions for seizing dynastic power with the minimal conditions required for a single act of violence.
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    • 1.Aristotle's analysis of tyrannicide in Politics V shows that isolated personal grievance—not faction—is the most common psychological motive for killing rulers.
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    • 2.A minister who has formed no cliques may still harbor private resentments that, unchecked by factional negotiation and compromise, intensify into lethal resolve.
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    The Yellow Emperor said: “A hundred battles a day are fought between the superior and his underlings.” The underlings conceal their private [interests], trying to test their superior; the superior employs norms and measures to restrict the underlings. Hence when norms and measures are established, they are the sovereign’s treasure; when the cliques and cabals are formed, they are the minister’s treasure. If the minister does not murder his ruler, it is because the cliques and cabals are not form
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