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    A person cannot conceive of their own flourishing without... — Carmelics
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    A person cannot conceive of their own flourishing without conceiving of others as sharing in that flourishing.

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    • 1.Interests in other persons cannot be satisfied without consciousness that those other persons are themselves satisfied.
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    • 2.When a person contemplates being in a better state or on the way to the best, that contemplation necessarily includes others not merely as means but as co-participants.
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    • 1.Nietzsche's Übermensch achieves flourishing through self-overcoming that explicitly rejects herd-based conceptions of shared welfare.
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    • 2.A conception of flourishing grounded in radical self-creation can be fully coherent without positing others as co-participants in one's good.
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    • 1.Derek Parfit's reductionist account of personal identity shows that 'the self' whose flourishing is conceived is not a robust enough entity to generate necessary social extensions.
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    • 2.If the boundaries of self are indeterminate, the inference from self-interest to necessarily shared flourishing smuggles in a substantive social ontology that requires independent justification.
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    Now the self of which a man thus forecasts the fulfilment, is not an abstract or empty self. It is a self already affected in the most primitive forms of human life by manifold interests, among which are interests in other persons. These are not merely interests dependent on other persons for the means to their gratification, but interests in the good of those other persons, interests which cannot be satisfied without the consciousness that those other persons are satisfied. The man cannot conte
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