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    It is not the case that A timeless being doesn't change.

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    • 1.Change can be relational rather than intrinsic: a being changes if its relations to temporal things alter, even without internal succession.
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    • 2.A timeless God who is 'now related to Caesar's death' and 'now related to the present moment' acquires different relational properties without temporal succession.
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    • 3.Cambridge changes—changes in relational properties—are genuine changes, as Geach and Swinburne argue in their critiques of divine immutability.
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    • 1.Eleonore Stump and Norman Kretzmann's ET-simultaneity framework shows a timeless being can be 'present to' each temporal moment, implying distinct modes of engagement.
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    • 2.If a timeless being is wholly present to distinct temporal events with different contents, its cognitive states must differ in some respect across those engagements.
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    • 3.Differing cognitive states across engagements constitute a form of change even if no temporal succession underlies them.
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    • 1.A timeless being's life events don't involve succession.
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    • 2.Change requires succession.
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