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A timeless being doesn't change. — Carmelics

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A timeless being doesn't change.

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1.A timeless being's life events don't involve succession.
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2.Change requires succession.
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1.Change can be relational rather than intrinsic: a being changes if its relations to temporal things alter, even without internal succession.
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2.A timeless God who is 'now related to Caesar's death' and 'now related to the present moment' acquires different relational properties without temporal succession.
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3.Cambridge changes—changes in relational properties—are genuine changes, as Geach and Swinburne argue in their critiques of divine immutability.
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1.Eleonore Stump and Norman Kretzmann's ET-simultaneity framework shows a timeless being can be 'present to' each temporal moment, implying distinct modes of engagement.
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2.If a timeless being is wholly present to distinct temporal events with different contents, its cognitive states must differ in some respect across those engagements.
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3.Differing cognitive states across engagements constitute a form of change even if no temporal succession underlies them.
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Not only does a timeless being not experience succession, but its life’s events don’t involve succession. Since change requires succession, a timeless being doesn’t change. But a timeless being is still presently alive in some sense of “presently”. Moreover, the events in that being’s life are simultaneous in some sense, both with each other and with temporal items.

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