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    A violation of Outcome Independence (OI) implies spatiotemporal non-separability

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    • 1.Spatiotemporal separability implies Outcome Independence (OI)
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    • 2.If a condition implies OI, then a violation of OI implies a violation of that condition
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    • 1.Spatiotemporal separability admits multiple precise formulations (Earman, Howard) that are not all logically equivalent.
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    • 2.The entailment from separability to OI holds only under Howard's strong holism-denying formulation, not under weaker variants.
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    • 3.A violation of OI therefore implies only that Howard's specific strong separability fails, not spatiotemporal non-separability per se.
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    • 1.Bohmian mechanics violates OI through the quantum potential yet remains committed to particles with definite spatiotemporal trajectories.
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    • 2.If a theory can violate OI while preserving well-defined spatiotemporal particle locations, spatiotemporal non-separability is not a necessary consequence of OI-violation.
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    It is frequently argued or maintained that violations of OI involve state non-separability and/or some type of holism, whereas violations of PI involve action at a distance. For notable examples, Howard (1989) argues that spatiotemporal separability (see section 4.3) implies OI, and accordingly a violation of it implies spatiotemporal non-separability; Teller (1989) argues that particularism (see section 4.3) implies OI, and thus a violation of it implies relational holism; and Jarrett (1984, 19
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