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    Abstracting all qualities and determinations from body yields characterless, undetermined prime matter.

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    • 1.Body possesses qualities and other determinations.
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    • 2.Removing all such determinations leaves only the necessary underlying condition for bodies.
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    • 3.That residual underlying condition is formless and incorporeal.
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    • 1.Abstraction is an epistemic operation performed by minds, not an ontological process that reveals underlying metaphysical layers of reality.
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    • 2.What remains after conceptual abstraction reflects the limits of thought, not the structure of mind-independent substance.
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    • 3.Aristotle's own hylomorphism treats prime matter as a logical limit-concept, not a separately existing substrate that could be 'uncovered' by removal of form.
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    • 1.Extension, impenetrability, and three-dimensionality are not contingent qualifications added to body but are constitutive of what body essentially is.
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    • 2.If spatial extension is an intrinsic determination of corporeality rather than an accidental property, then removing all determinations eliminates body itself rather than yielding an undetermined residue.
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    • 3.Philoponus's own argument that prime matter possesses three-dimensional extension as its defining characteristic undermines the claim that abstraction produces something genuinely characterless.
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    Like place, space as a whole is the indeterminate three-dimensional extension everywhere devoid of body, though it is not actually infinite – so much Philoponus concedes to Aristotle. Philoponus’ discussion of matter builds upon this conception of space. In the Physics commentary (687f.) he argues in a similar vein to Aristotle in Metaphysics VII 3: In abstracting all qualities and other determinations from body Aristotle arrived at a conception of characterless, undetermined matter, an idea of
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