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    It is not the case that Abstracting all qualities and determinations from body yields characterless, undetermined prime matter.

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    • 1.Abstraction is an epistemic operation performed by minds, not an ontological process that reveals underlying metaphysical layers of reality.
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    • 2.What remains after conceptual abstraction reflects the limits of thought, not the structure of mind-independent substance.
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    • 3.Aristotle's own hylomorphism treats prime matter as a logical limit-concept, not a separately existing substrate that could be 'uncovered' by removal of form.
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    • 1.Extension, impenetrability, and three-dimensionality are not contingent qualifications added to body but are constitutive of what body essentially is.
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    • 2.If spatial extension is an intrinsic determination of corporeality rather than an accidental property, then removing all determinations eliminates body itself rather than yielding an undetermined residue.
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    • 3.Philoponus's own argument that prime matter possesses three-dimensional extension as its defining characteristic undermines the claim that abstraction produces something genuinely characterless.
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    • 1.Body possesses qualities and other determinations.
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    • 2.Removing all such determinations leaves only the necessary underlying condition for bodies.
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    • 3.That residual underlying condition is formless and incorporeal.
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