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    Aesthetic judgment is fundamentally different from color ... — Carmelics
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    Aesthetic judgment is fundamentally different from color judgment.

    Aesthetics
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    • 1.Color thought does not presuppose that colors are grounded in physical properties — one can coherently think colors are bare properties.
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    • 2.Aesthetic thought cannot coherently treat beauty as a bare property — it is essential to aesthetic thought that aesthetic properties arise from nonaesthetic properties.
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    • 3.Two types of thought are fundamentally different if one presupposes a grounding relation that the other does not.
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    • 1.Color perception, on dispositionalist accounts (Peacocke, Johnston), is essentially grounded in observer responses, not bare physical properties.
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    • 2.If colors are constitutively tied to perceptual responses, then color thought already presupposes a relational grounding structure analogous to aesthetic supervenience.
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    • 3.Two types of thought cannot be fundamentally distinguished by a grounding relation that both types equally presuppose.
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    • 1.Zangwill's 'aesthetic formalism' holds that some aesthetic properties—pure formal beauty—supervene directly on perceptible form without requiring nonaesthetic mediation.
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    • 2.If certain aesthetic properties can be treated as arising from purely sensory bases without conceptual nonaesthetic grounding, the asymmetry between aesthetic and color thought collapses.
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    This claim is very intuitive, but let us try to say something more in support of it. It seems to be a deep fact about beauty and other aesthetic properties that they are inherently “sociable”; beauty cannot be lonely. Something cannot be barely beautiful; if something is beautiful then it must be in virtue of its nonaesthetic properties. Furthermore, knowing this is a constraint on our judgments about beauty and other aesthetic properties. We cannot just judge that something is beautiful; we mus
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