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    Aesthetic value is not reducible to an object's effect on... — Carmelics
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    Aesthetic value is not reducible to an object's effect on the listener or viewer.

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    • 1.Wittgenstein separates the understanding and appreciation of music from the effect music has on us.
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    • 2.This separation implies that what makes music valuable is independent of its causal effects on listeners.
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    • 1.Dewey's pragmatist aesthetics holds that aesthetic value is constituted by the consummatory experience of an organism in its environment.
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    • 2.If aesthetic value is constituted by—not merely correlated with—experiential response, then the response is not a separable effect but the value itself.
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    • 3.Wittgenstein's separation of understanding from effect presupposes a mind-world dualism that pragmatist and enactivist frameworks explicitly reject.
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    • 1.Hume's standard of taste grounds aesthetic judgment in the convergent responses of idealized critics with refined sensibility and freedom from prejudice.
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    • 2.If the corrected and refined affective responses of qualified perceivers just are the criterion for aesthetic value, then value is not independent of listener effect but normatively constituted by it.
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    The role of extra-musical references in the understanding of music raises the issue of whether Wittgenstein should be considered a formalist (see Ahonen 2005, and Szabados 2006; 2014). A decidedly formalist element in Wittgenstein’s aesthetics is his separation of the understanding and appreciation of music from the effect it has on us—the move is similar to Hanslick’s (see §1.6; on Wittgenstein and Hanslick, see Szabados 2014, 39–57; 94–97). Aesthetic value in general, and music’s value more
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