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    It is not the case that Aesthetic value is not reducible to an object's effect on the listener or viewer.

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    • 1.Dewey's pragmatist aesthetics holds that aesthetic value is constituted by the consummatory experience of an organism in its environment.
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    • 2.If aesthetic value is constituted by—not merely correlated with—experiential response, then the response is not a separable effect but the value itself.
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    • 3.Wittgenstein's separation of understanding from effect presupposes a mind-world dualism that pragmatist and enactivist frameworks explicitly reject.
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    • 1.Hume's standard of taste grounds aesthetic judgment in the convergent responses of idealized critics with refined sensibility and freedom from prejudice.
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    • 2.If the corrected and refined affective responses of qualified perceivers just are the criterion for aesthetic value, then value is not independent of listener effect but normatively constituted by it.
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    • 1.Wittgenstein separates the understanding and appreciation of music from the effect music has on us.
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    • 2.This separation implies that what makes music valuable is independent of its causal effects on listeners.
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