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    It is not the case that Affective states like pain and pleasure involve both phenomenal character and bodily heat/movement, making clean separation of body and thought impossible.

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    • 1.Pain's phenomenal character persists in phantom limb syndrome despite absence of actual bodily signals or heat.
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    • 2.We can conceptually separate thought from body: imagining pain differs from experiencing it, suggesting distinct properties.
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    • 3.Physical correlates of affect don't prove inseparability; correlation doesn't entail that thought cannot be independent.
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    Reasons Against

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    • 1.Pain experiences necessarily include bodily sensation—burning, aching—not mere abstract thoughts about injury.
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    • 2.Manipulating physical states (temperature, muscle tension) directly alters affective experience without changing beliefs.
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    • 3.Phenomenal character of pleasure emerges from embodied processes; disembodied minds couldn't experience it identically.
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