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    Affective states like pain and pleasure involve both phen... — Carmelics
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    Challenges→All heat and all movements present in us, insofar as they do not depend on thought, belong solely to the body.

    Affective states like pain and pleasure involve both phenomenal character and bodily heat/movement, making clean separation of body and thought impossible.

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    • 1.Pain experiences necessarily include bodily sensation—burning, aching—not mere abstract thoughts about injury.
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    • 2.Manipulating physical states (temperature, muscle tension) directly alters affective experience without changing beliefs.
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    • 3.Phenomenal character of pleasure emerges from embodied processes; disembodied minds couldn't experience it identically.
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    • 1.Pain's phenomenal character persists in phantom limb syndrome despite absence of actual bodily signals or heat.
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    • 2.We can conceptually separate thought from body: imagining pain differs from experiencing it, suggesting distinct properties.
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    • 3.Physical correlates of affect don't prove inseparability; correlation doesn't entail that thought cannot be independent.
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