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    All beings, including non-sentient things like grasses, t... — Carmelics
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    All beings, including non-sentient things like grasses, trees, and the land itself, hold the potential for awakening.

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    • 1.The real, as nondiscriminative and nondualistic wisdom or suchness, pervades all things.
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    • 2.Through that which is real permeating their existence, all beings are connected to this ultimate reality.
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    • 1.Awakening requires intentional mental states such as aspiration, recognition, and volitional turning—capacities absent in non-sentient matter.
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    • 2.Kuiji and the Yogācāra tradition explicitly denied buddha-nature to icchantikas and insentient things, grounding awakening in ālayavijñāna.
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    • 3.Extending soteriological potential to grasses and land conflates ontological participation in suchness with the distinct capacity for liberation.
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    • 1.The inference from 'x participates in ultimate reality' to 'x can awaken' commits a category error, as pervasion does not entail cognitive transformation.
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    • 2.Fa-tsang's Huayan framework distinguishes li (principle) pervading all phenomena from the actualization of awakening, which requires a sentient practitioner.
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    • 3.Even within Tendai exegesis, Annen's defense of grass-and-tree buddhahood remained polemically contested and was not accepted as orthodox Mahāyāna doctrine.
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    In relation to beings of the world, Pure Land thinkers such as Shōkū and Shinran asserted that the real, as itself nondiscriminative and nondualistic wisdom or suchness, pervades all things. Since beings cannot attain such wisdom, reality as such cannot be grasped. Nevertheless, through that which is real that permeates their existence, all beings, including “grasses, trees, and the land itself,” hold the potential for awakening. Such terms as “emptiness” and “dependent origination” are sometime
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