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    It is not the case that All soul, including irrational and vegetative soul, is immortal

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    • 1.Aristotle's De Anima (412a20) defines vegetative and sensitive soul as the form of a natural body possessing organs, making them inseparable from matter.
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    • 2.If vegetative soul is the actuality of a living body, its persistence without a body is not merely contingent but conceptually incoherent.
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    • 3.The Phaedrus argument for immortality applies only to self-moving soul, a property Aristotle and his tradition explicitly deny to nutritive soul.
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    • 1.Thomas Aquinas (Summa Theologiae I, q.75, a.3) argues that only the intellective soul is subsistent and thus capable of surviving bodily corruption.
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    • 2.The vegetative and sensitive souls perform operations entirely dependent on corporeal organs, so their 'perishing qua body' is indistinguishable from their perishing simpliciter.
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    • 3.Distinguishing a soul's essence from its embodied operations does not establish immortality unless the soul possesses independent subsistence, which irrational souls lack.
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    • 1.The irrational and vegetative souls perish not in their capacity as soul but in their capacity of being in a body
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    • 2.Immortality pertains to the soul qua soul, not to the soul's association with a body
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    • 3.Plato's dictum that all soul is immortal (Phaedrus 245c6) applies to rational, irrational, and vegetative soul
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