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    All soul, including irrational and vegetative soul, is im... — Carmelics
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    All soul, including irrational and vegetative soul, is immortal

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    • 1.The irrational and vegetative souls perish not in their capacity as soul but in their capacity of being in a body
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    • 2.Immortality pertains to the soul qua soul, not to the soul's association with a body
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    • 3.Plato's dictum that all soul is immortal (Phaedrus 245c6) applies to rational, irrational, and vegetative soul
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    • 1.Aristotle's De Anima (412a20) defines vegetative and sensitive soul as the form of a natural body possessing organs, making them inseparable from matter.
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    • 2.If vegetative soul is the actuality of a living body, its persistence without a body is not merely contingent but conceptually incoherent.
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    • 3.The Phaedrus argument for immortality applies only to self-moving soul, a property Aristotle and his tradition explicitly deny to nutritive soul.
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    • 1.Thomas Aquinas (Summa Theologiae I, q.75, a.3) argues that only the intellective soul is subsistent and thus capable of surviving bodily corruption.
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    • 2.The vegetative and sensitive souls perform operations entirely dependent on corporeal organs, so their 'perishing qua body' is indistinguishable from their perishing simpliciter.
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    • 3.Distinguishing a soul's essence from its embodied operations does not establish immortality unless the soul possesses independent subsistence, which irrational souls lack.
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    Of the Neoplatonists, John Philoponus, whose commentary was highly influential throughout the Greek Middle Ages though virtually unknown in the Latin West, held that Aristotle agreed with Plato that of the three kinds of soul (1) the vegetative soul alone is wholly inseparable from the body; (2) the irrational soul (comprising the faculties of imagination and sense-perception as well as appetite and desire) is separable from the gross body, though inseparable from the pneuma, and thus mortal; an
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