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    It is not the case that An argument is sound when it is both valid and has true premises

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    • 1.Soundness requires not merely true premises but premises known to be true, as Sextus Empiricus argued against dogmatic claims of propositional certainty.
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    • 2.A valid argument with accidentally true premises yields no genuine epistemic justification, making 'soundness' epistemically hollow without a knowledge condition.
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    Reason for 2 of 2
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    • 1.The Stoic criterion of a 'correct' conditional (sunartêsis) already embeds a modal constraint that truth alone cannot satisfy, per Diodorus Cronus's Master Argument.
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    • 2.If validity depends on strict modal connection between antecedent and consequent, then truth of premises is insufficient for soundness without necessity of those truths.
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    Reasons Against

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    • 1.An argument is valid if its corresponding Chrysippean conditional is correct
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    • 2.An argument is sound only if it additionally has true premises
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