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    It is not the case that Arguments that suicide is wrong because it produces harmful psychological reactions in survivors cannot succeed without logical circularity

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    • 1.Some harmful psychological reactions in suicide survivors (guilt, shame, rage) may be due to the strong social stigma and shame associated with suicide rather than the act itself
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    • 2.The wrongfulness of suicide cannot rest on emotions provoked by the belief that suicide is wrong
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    • 1.Norm-dependent harms (harms that exist only because of a social norm) cannot justify the norm itself without begging the question (Wittgenstein, OC §204).
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    • 2.Survivor grief from suicide is structurally norm-dependent: it is conditioned on the prior belief that suicide is a transgression requiring survivors to assign blame.
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    • 3.Therefore any argument from survivor harm presupposes suicide's wrongness as a premise, making the argument formally circular.
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    • 1.Mill's harm principle requires that harms used to restrict liberty be causally traceable to the act itself, not to contingent social attitudes about the act (On Liberty, Ch. 1).
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    • 2.Cross-cultural evidence (e.g., ancient Stoic and Japanese warrior traditions) shows survivor grief responses vary dramatically with cultural attitudes toward suicide.
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    • 3.A harm whose magnitude tracks cultural stigma rather than the act's intrinsic features cannot serve as a culturally-neutral moral justification for prohibition.
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