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    Arguments that suicide is wrong because it produces harmf... — Carmelics
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    Arguments that suicide is wrong because it produces harmful psychological reactions in survivors cannot succeed without logical circularity

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    • 1.Norm-dependent harms (harms that exist only because of a social norm) cannot justify the norm itself without begging the question (Wittgenstein, OC §204).
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    • 2.Survivor grief from suicide is structurally norm-dependent: it is conditioned on the prior belief that suicide is a transgression requiring survivors to assign blame.
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    • 3.Therefore any argument from survivor harm presupposes suicide's wrongness as a premise, making the argument formally circular.
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    • 1.Mill's harm principle requires that harms used to restrict liberty be causally traceable to the act itself, not to contingent social attitudes about the act (On Liberty, Ch. 1).
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    • 2.Cross-cultural evidence (e.g., ancient Stoic and Japanese warrior traditions) shows survivor grief responses vary dramatically with cultural attitudes toward suicide.
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    • 3.A harm whose magnitude tracks cultural stigma rather than the act's intrinsic features cannot serve as a culturally-neutral moral justification for prohibition.
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    • 1.Some harmful psychological reactions in suicide survivors (guilt, shame, rage) may be due to the strong social stigma and shame associated with suicide rather than the act itself
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    • 2.The wrongfulness of suicide cannot rest on emotions provoked by the belief that suicide is wrong
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    No doubt the suicide of a family member or loved one produces a number of harmful psychological and economic effects. In addition to the usual grief, suicide “survivors” confront a complex array of feelings. Various forms of guilt are quite common, such as that arising from (a) the belief that one contributed to the suicidal person’s anguish, or (b) the failure to recognize that anguish, or (c) the inability to prevent the suicidal act itself. Suicide also leads to rage, loneliness, and awarenes
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