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    Aristotle's doctrine of the mean already concedes that co... — Carmelics
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    Challenges→Money and health are not genuinely good — they are 'indifferents', neither good nor bad.

    Aristotle's doctrine of the mean already concedes that courage or generosity can be misapplied, yet Stoics themselves classify virtues as genuine goods despite this vulnerability.

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    • 1.Aristotle's mean doctrine admits virtues require practical wisdom to apply correctly, acknowledging context-dependence without denying virtue's genuine goodness.
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    • 2.Stoics distinguish between virtue (always good) and its external applications, which may fail—this resolves the apparent contradiction about vulnerability.
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    • 3.Both schools agree virtue itself remains intrinsically valuable even when circumstances prevent optimal outcomes; misapplication doesn't negate that status.
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    • 1.If courage can be genuinely misapplied (as Aristotle admits), then virtue's goodness is conditional on correct judgment, undermining Stoic claims of unconditional value.
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    • 2.Stoics cannot coherently claim virtues are 'genuine goods' if external circumstances beyond virtue can determine whether virtuous action produces harm.
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    • 3.Acknowledging vulnerability to misapplication suggests virtue's worth depends partly on factors outside itself, contradicting the Stoic thesis of self-sufficiency.
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